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Avidemux => Main version 2.6 => Topic started by: jicama on February 27, 2012, 07:55:26 PM

Title: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: jicama on February 27, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
In 2.5 there are keyboard shortcuts [ and ] for setting marks.  This patch adds them to 2.6 as well.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Agent_007 on February 28, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
If Mean doesn't answer to this topic in next five days, bump this thread so I remember to ticket this.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Jan Gruuthuse on February 28, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
2.6 Revision 7743:  Add keyboard shortcut to markA,B . Patch by jicama
from keyboard:
[ = (http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=using:marka-qt.png) or (http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=using:marka-gtk.png) set marker A
] = (http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=using:markb-qt.png) or (http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=using:markb-gtk.png) set marker B
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: douche on December 06, 2015, 09:05:44 PM
The set marker A works Ok, but the set marker B doesn't seem to be working.

Is it possible to fix this? The original patch is not avaible any more.

Thanks!
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Jan Gruuthuse on December 07, 2015, 07:06:30 AM
Mark A and Mark B are working with Ubuntu 14.04.3 English (UK) on:

Qwerty US
Mark A: [ directly
Mark B: ] directly

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg/900px-KB_United_States-NoAltGr.svg.png)

Azerty French keyboard
Mark A: [Alt Gr] [5]
Mark B: [Alt Gr] [Ã,°]

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/KB_France.svg/800px-KB_France.svg.png)

This depends on the used OS, OS language and keyboard settings.
Please specify your used OS, OS language and keyboard settings.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: perfectlyGoodInk on September 17, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
Are '[' and ']' supposed to work in the latest nightly 2.6 builds? They are not working for me, and the menu item for "Set Marker A" shows this weird command-up arrow with two horizontal lines through them. I had to Google this to find out this was page up, and I'm on a 13-inch, early 2011 Macbook Pro (and I'm from the U.S.), which means page up is Fn-Up.

I suppose I can get used to Cmd-Fn-Up (which does work for me), but it's certainly more awkward than '['.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Jan Gruuthuse on September 17, 2016, 04:06:01 PM
No: [ ] not workng.
Is replaced by:
[Ctrl][Pg up]  page up = Mark [A ]
[Ctrl][Pg dn]  page down = Mark [ B]
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: fish on September 18, 2016, 09:19:54 AM
'I' mark in and 'O' mark out seems like the logical choice for this because like a hole in the arse, everyone appears to have this in common.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Jan Gruuthuse on September 18, 2016, 11:00:58 AM
No need to use rude words (like a ... ....). You asked and reasoned.
I have only one reply "main developers prerogative"
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: AQUAR on September 18, 2016, 12:49:47 PM
This is another one of these useless fuzz topics.

The expression "someone's trash is someone else's treasure" comes to mind.
If end users really want to waste some time on which keys ADM should allocate to the mark in and mark out parameter - start a poll and come up with a predominant end user choice. Lets say "most voted on keys after 400 votes".

Of course, people will continue to argue for why it should be this or that key set.
In the end the author will simply select what suit his own vision for the program.


 
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: fish on September 19, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: Jan Gruuthuse on September 18, 2016, 11:00:58 AM
No need to use rude words (like a ... ....). You asked and reasoned.
I have only one reply "main developers prerogative"

It is taken as a given that the developers should do what they think is best but the implication of having a forum is that people will express opinions, be they stupid opinions or useful opinions. Some good ideas were once regarded as stupid, so I support the right of stupid people to have their say...
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: AQUAR on September 19, 2016, 01:11:20 PM
The point here was not about expressing an opinion but it was about the way the opinion is expressed.
Associating a "hole where the sun never shines" as the "day and night" solution to some key associations is just rude.

I have a preference to keep the [ & ] as I am used to that with ADM.
I also realise there is only a little merit in pointing that out and so won't waste time on it.
Others may have a different preference and can express that with their reasoning.

Everyone will have to accept the final choice of the Author.


Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: perfectlyGoodInk on September 19, 2016, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: AQUAR on September 18, 2016, 12:49:47 PM
This is another one of these useless fuzz topics.
...

I know most of that was directed towards fish, but as I was the one who revived the topic, I didn't post a poll because I don't know how to and wasn't even sure if it was appropriate. Also, most polls use plurality voting that just don't scale well past two choices because they don't weigh how much a choice is liked or disliked to determine the true breadth of support (witness Trump, a non-Republican who won the Republican nomination largely because he split the opposition 14 ways). I recall Yahoo! groups supported Approval voting (vote for as many choices as you like, most votes wins), which is nice, although I think Condorcet is better, but I can't tell if this forum supports either of those because I still don't see how to create a poll here.

Besides, I'd prefer to direct my energies towards influencing the final vote by making arguments in favor of my preferred solution. I actually don't mind what key it ends up being as long as it's a single key instead of a 2 or 3-key combination. Also, if I get Cmd-Fn-Up wrong by leaving one of those out, it will seek the playhead (sometimes to the very beginning or end), which is rather annoying since I'd just spent some time finding that specific frame to cut at (and undo will not restore it). So, I'd prefer a key that is not as prone to that kind of mistake.

Also, I never use "Go to marker A/B" and would think that those functions get used less often than marking (you can't use them unless you've already set a marker). So, I would prefer that the seek functions be the one that require additional keys to use instead of the mark functions. I imagine there are others that set once and go many times, I dunno. I speak for me, not for them.

If the developers ignore or override my preferences, I'd understand. I just figured that they would be interested in hearing what they are. I know this isn't as high priority as a crash, but it does significantly impact the usability of the program for the aforementioned reasons, so I don't understand why anyone would consider it a useless fuzz topic.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: fish on September 19, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
I agree with everything you have said, for what that's worth. Although I don't want to get into some sort of waste of time slagging match, I would also like to point out that none of the words that Aquar quoted were posted by me. I assume a language misunderstanding has put a phrase in his head, that means something different to the phrase that I actually used.
In plain English I simply meant, it would be logical to use keys that are present on every keyboard, sorry if the accompanying metaphor wasn't to everyone's taste.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: AQUAR on September 20, 2016, 07:03:52 AM
@ fish
I just cleaned up your phraseology in an effort not to offend anyone else.
There is no language misunderstanding, but if you wish I'll explain by private email why your reply number 7 can be taken as "very rude".
But I think you already know that, judging from your last response.

@ perfectlyGoodink
The poll suggestion was a tongue in cheek one.
I agree totally that such an effort would not come any closer to solving this fuzz topic.
I call it a fuzz topic simply because the Author has his own reasons for changing this item and not even "nothing" is going to satisfy all end users.
I'd rather hear arguments from end users as to why the current key binding, for mark in and mark out, is a catastrophe for them.
A polite and substantiated reply is much more likely to influence the Author's development of this program (i.e. without "colourful" easily misconstrued language!). So you are right in that my comment was not directed at yourself (I like your last reply!) but as a modest opposition to the reply from fish, as well as MHO about the worth of this issue if the request's are without backbone.

I do have a pet peeve about people on any forum being offensive, self centred and unreasonable about things under discussion.
I recall not that long ago that an end user insisted that, when ADM crashed, it needed to provide a comprehensive error dialog (presumably in plain english!). We were never able to convince this individual about the impracticality of building in that sort of self diagnostics for a multi platform program, let alone a program that is described by the Author as a "simple video editor".


 
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: perfectlyGoodInk on September 22, 2016, 05:32:12 PM
Okay, thanks for the clarification.

Quote from: AQUAR on September 20, 2016, 07:03:52 AM
I recall not that long ago that an end user insisted that, when ADM crashed, it needed to provide a comprehensive error dialog (presumably in plain english!). We were never able to convince this individual about the impracticality of building in that sort of self diagnostics for a multi platform program, let alone a program that is described by the Author as a "simple video editor".

Yeah, open source software really isn't for everybody. R's error messages can be downright cryptic as well, and I don't know how I'd get by without Google and StackOverflow. I get their frustration, but the target audience of these kinds of error message is the developer, not the end user. Without gobs of resources to throw at this, that's just the way it has to be.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Earnear on September 25, 2016, 08:19:34 AM
Can't seem to download the mark-kbd.patch. Gives a HTTP 404 error.

My last version was 2.6.12 and I was really comfortable using [ and ] for setting marker A and B. When I updated to 2.6.14, this was replaced (as with 2.6.13). Is there a reason for the change to CTRL-PG Up/Down? For me the ring and middle finger on [ ] and index on Del (left hand); mouse (right hand) for easy fast cut edits but I don't see how CTRL-PG Up/Down works for quick edits. Is there a way to edit hotkeys? I want to use 2.6.14 but am forced to downgrade to 2.6.12 until I can find a way to get it back to [ ] which I found most comfortable.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: eumagga0x2a on September 25, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Earnear on September 25, 2016, 08:19:34 AM
Is there a reason for the change to CTRL-PG Up/Down?

http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17024.msg76371.html#msg76371 (http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17024.msg76371.html#msg76371)
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: Earnear on September 25, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: eumagga0x2a on September 25, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Earnear on September 25, 2016, 08:19:34 AM
Is there a reason for the change to CTRL-PG Up/Down?

http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17024.msg76371.html#msg76371 (http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17024.msg76371.html#msg76371)

Nice. Thx for the link. Sadly I do not know how to 'rebuild' avid.
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: rojavid on March 10, 2017, 10:48:21 AM
the attachment is not found, I desperately need to bring back [ and ]

"404 - Attachment Not Found"
Title: Re: patch: restore keyboard shortcuts for Set Marker A/B
Post by: eumagga0x2a on March 10, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17581.msg79780.html#msg79780 (http://avidemux.org/smif/index.php/topic,17581.msg79780.html#msg79780)

Presumably, the necessary changes are self-explanatory, no patch needed.